tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290828421410624791.post7147025275311030172..comments2024-03-14T10:32:29.233-05:00Comments on Blood of Prokopius: Dune!FrDavehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00459281821319914530noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290828421410624791.post-51675594012485931652017-07-09T20:17:48.680-05:002017-07-09T20:17:48.680-05:00I was just pointing put the story you mentioned is...I was just pointing put the story you mentioned is not true. As far as the church lasting 20,000 I'm Fr. Dave. If Jesus was the son of God, it will last 20,000 years, if he was not, it probably will not. Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08864993221502918896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290828421410624791.post-338155789283719522017-07-04T07:43:14.459-05:002017-07-04T07:43:14.459-05:00His son's prequel books are appalling weak in ...His son's prequel books are appalling weak in comparison to the original novel although you can argue their worth versus the later ones.<br /><br />Fr. Dave, you are wise to stop where you are in the series, however. Judaism is touched on in the later books, but by then the whole series had sort of fallen apart.WQRobbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17436898737750581192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290828421410624791.post-82044438563843795282017-07-03T11:30:19.527-05:002017-07-03T11:30:19.527-05:00Michael imagine how much sucha fishy tale could ch...Michael imagine how much sucha fishy tale could change in tens of thousands of years.JDsivrajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674833512849495283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290828421410624791.post-13471217233823857202017-07-02T20:42:21.906-05:002017-07-02T20:42:21.906-05:00That story about eating fish on Friday being a mov...That story about eating fish on Friday being a move political to get in good with fishermen is an Urban legend. Not eating fish on Friday was a discipline, not a dogma. You are still supposed to give something up on Friday, and going meatless is still the preferred discipline on Fridays, but you can choose to substitute something else.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08864993221502918896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290828421410624791.post-84555026775193303072017-07-01T18:25:37.692-05:002017-07-01T18:25:37.692-05:00Here i the US it is custom for Catholics to eat fi...Here i the US it is custom for Catholics to eat fish of Friday. Many of my classmates and neighbors thought it was some sort of actual church thing but it wasn't it was actually a means to help the fishing fleets of Portugal by eating more fish but in time people came to believe it was some sort of religious pohibition against red meat on Friday.JDsivrajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674833512849495283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290828421410624791.post-398404691342478572017-07-01T11:18:16.983-05:002017-07-01T11:18:16.983-05:00P.S. Eastern Orthodoxy also still maintains fastin...P.S. Eastern Orthodoxy also still maintains fasting on Wednesdays <i>and</i> Fridays from meat, fish, dairy, wine and oil to this day.FrDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00459281821319914530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290828421410624791.post-66115895070155818092017-07-01T11:13:55.035-05:002017-07-01T11:13:55.035-05:00From the perspective of Western Christianity, you ...From the perspective of Western Christianity, you are correct; however, Eastern Orthodoxy has a much deeper connection its own history. We have rejected the whole concept of the development of dogma and even refuse to change any of our canon law to update them to the current context (we have to do that on an individual basis). So there is an argument to be made that the ancient form of Christianity persists into the present age.<br /><br />The stuff about the various sects can be found in Appendix II. There is one sect that seems tied to Christianity called the "Navachristianity of Chusuk." I didn't see a blend of Bhuddism and Christianity (which is a non-sequitur), but there are mentioned "Buddislamic variants."<br /><br />However, these are mentioned in context of forces that shaped the religious beliefs of the Imperium leading up to Muad'Dib. In other words, whereas "Navachristianity" is an influence, it could be understood to be something that existed in the past but is no longer dominant such as the Neo-Platonism that shapes Augustinian theology.FrDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00459281821319914530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290828421410624791.post-43959501229274121592017-06-30T19:06:06.425-05:002017-06-30T19:06:06.425-05:00Stictly speaking "The Church" hasn't...Stictly speaking "The Church" hasn't survived uncanged for 2,000 years (not as a uniform and cohesive entity). The Eastern and Western divide alone show this as does the extreme differences in Western traditions. Men do drive the development of Christianity as can be seen by the various hsitorical councils, many sects, and many different versions of The Bible. <br /><br />The staus of Purgatory has changed in my lifetime. The status or any existence at all for The Harrowing of Hell has changed. Men are the cause of the creation and change in the status of these notions. The Bible is full of the word of God as expressed by men. <br /><br />Don't get me started about eating of fish on Friday.<br /><br /><br />As for Christianity and Dune: I did a a search on google after talking to the wife about Christianity in Dune (she was a sys admin on a Dune mush years back) and it seems there are a couple/few Christian sects (of some sort) in the Dune universe but they don't get much mention or have much influence. Interestingly enough one of them involves the notion that Christ was one of the Buhdas (a concept I've bumped into a few times over the years).JDsivrajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674833512849495283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290828421410624791.post-2620486928458665362017-06-30T17:58:12.382-05:002017-06-30T17:58:12.382-05:00P.S. Don't worry about offending this old grog...P.S. Don't worry about offending this old grognard. I love discussions like this and I love being challenged like this. So, if anything, thank you.FrDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00459281821319914530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290828421410624791.post-45615590024759520352017-06-30T17:54:22.410-05:002017-06-30T17:54:22.410-05:00Heresies of all stripes have existed since the beg...Heresies of all stripes have existed since the beginning of the Church. She has survived it all, including almost non-stop persecution for almost 2 millennia. She has survived and thrived exploration of multiple continents and a plethora of languages and cultures.<br /><br />If you don't mind me saying, you are making a similar assumption that Herbert does: that somehow Christianity is man-made and/or man-driven. If that were true, certainly Christianity would not survive 20,000 years into the future. However, if one looks at the history of the Church and all that she has been through, she shouldn't have survived these last two millennia, but she has. That is made possible because the Church is also a divine institution and Christ has promised that if He should allow the fallen world to continue 20,000 years, the Church will still be there just like it is today.<br /><br />You also make a fundamental error in your understanding of God: He does not change. If He did He would have a beginning and an end and our relationship with Him would have no purpose. He will always be who is now. Our relationship with Him, therefore, can also always be constant regardless of the context as demonstrated by 2000 years of constant turmoil.FrDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00459281821319914530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290828421410624791.post-77030403010445543192017-06-30T17:21:16.753-05:002017-06-30T17:21:16.753-05:00Just to clarify I'm not knocking Christianity ...Just to clarify I'm not knocking Christianity here at all. JDsivrajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674833512849495283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290828421410624791.post-958442762146193542017-06-30T17:11:17.171-05:002017-06-30T17:11:17.171-05:00We don't all do so. And therein lies part of t...We don't all do so. And therein lies part of the issue. Christianity is not a consolodated monolithic faith now. There is nothing keeping nontrinitarianism from ascending to the dominance and reforming the faith with futuree councils, that would certainly change Christianity and how man relates to Jesus. What happens when man has populated other worlds for thousands of years and new prophets and even new messiahs are recognized? Tens of thousands of years is a very long time and a lot can happen in that time. Man and his relationship with God is certainly going to change in that time as humanities relationship to the divine has changed throughout history. JDsivrajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674833512849495283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290828421410624791.post-7287253096169190032017-06-30T16:58:06.236-05:002017-06-30T16:58:06.236-05:00We don't read it in Greek Yes we do. Both the ...<i>We don't read it in Greek</i> Yes we do. Both the bible and the liturgy book that I use are both in English and in Koine Greek.FrDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00459281821319914530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290828421410624791.post-81250157364985525112017-06-30T16:40:18.302-05:002017-06-30T16:40:18.302-05:00We don't use the same Bible. We don't read...We don't use the same Bible. We don't read it in Greek, Gothic, or Latin. When was the last time you bought an indulgence? Yes pieces are the same but Christianity has changed since the 4th century.JDsivrajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674833512849495283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290828421410624791.post-54308871494796914562017-06-30T16:19:17.095-05:002017-06-30T16:19:17.095-05:00It has been so long since I have been to see a mov...It has been so long since I have been to see a movie I enjoyed <i>in the theater</i> that I don't bother any more. When Wonder Woman becomes available in other media, I have heard enough good things about it that I plan to see it.<br /><br />BTW I haven't had a chance to write about it, but Captain America: Civil War (my favorite in the MCU by a long shot) was surprisingly a <i>very</i> Christian movie...super heroes and Christianity are a much better fit than people imagine. FrDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00459281821319914530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290828421410624791.post-78203808513473507592017-06-30T16:12:33.283-05:002017-06-30T16:12:33.283-05:00All men those who recognize Jesus now do not worsh...<i>All men those who recognize Jesus now do not worship as men did 1,500 or even 500 years ago.</i> Then how is it that every time I do the liturgy, I am using a text that was written in the 4th century and has been in continuous use since the 4th century?FrDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00459281821319914530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290828421410624791.post-27357743041348750352017-06-30T16:05:37.489-05:002017-06-30T16:05:37.489-05:00RE the era of thinking machines
It is my understa...RE the era of thinking machines<br /><br />It is my understanding that a later series, penned by Herbert's son, deals with this era. But it considered fairly disappointing compared to the original.<br /><br />BTW: I was wondering if you've had a chance to watch the new Wonder Woman film. You've blogged before on your feelings on film these days, but there's quite a bit of interesting (sometimes startling) Christian-symbology and messaging in the film...quite strange considering Wonder Woman may be the most iconic pagan in comics.JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03263662621289630246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290828421410624791.post-86715459653170272422017-06-30T14:13:19.614-05:002017-06-30T14:13:19.614-05:00I'd recomed the second book of the Dune series...I'd recomed the second book of the Dune series if you like the first it follows v ery closely on the heels of the first book without straying into the really odd as it does later in the series.<br /><br />As for Christianity being arround in the time of Dune I see it as a cultural and historical impossibility that a relgion any of us today would readily recognize as Christianity will be in place over 20,000 years from now. Men of every age have seen their gods as eternal and history has seen them all forgotten or replaced. All men those who recognize Jesus now do not worship as men did 1,500 or even 500 years ago. JDsivrajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674833512849495283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290828421410624791.post-80066450841564594512017-06-30T12:30:50.299-05:002017-06-30T12:30:50.299-05:00"Once men turned their thinking over to machi..."Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them."<br /><br />C. S. Lewis makes a similar point in his book, The Abolition of Man, in which he notes that man's control of nature all too often results in man's control of man.Geoffrey McKinneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00042661843714609025noreply@blogger.com